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Nameing new plants/species

Post by Eric Williams » Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:04 pm

Hi all, at a great zone 9 convention on Sun.I had the following thought. An esteemed speaker mentioned that after finding a new plant it was named with regard to location etc or even after some notable cactus grower. Sometimes the plant was discovered in dangerous localities and at great physical endurance to the finder. So why is it not named after the finder. Are there any botanical or other reasons why .Thanks
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Re: Nameing new plants/species

Post by Stuart » Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:18 pm

Yes, excellent day at Gloucester on Sunday, I think plants can be named after the finder but it depends who is naming the plant. Plants named for people are normally named by others rather than by the finder themselves. i.e. Matucana Hoxeyi was named for the finder but not by the finder, not sure if there is an unwritten rule for this or if it is modesty that stops the person that finds a new species from naming it after themselves.
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Post by Tony R » Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:11 pm

Stuart wrote:Yes, excellent day at Gloucester on Sunday, I think plants can be named after the finder but it depends who is naming the plant. Plants named for people are normally named by others rather than by the finder themselves. i.e. Matucana Hoxeyi was named for the finder but not by the finder, not sure if there is an unwritten rule for this or if it is modesty that stops the person that finds a new species from naming it after themselves.
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I don't think there is anything in the current International Code of Nomenclature (for algae, fungi, and plants) that says you cannot name a species after yourself. But to avoid vanity (?!) the custom is for someone else to name the plant in your honour.
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Re: Nameing new plants/species

Post by Stuart » Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:01 am

Although there have been examples of 'reciprocal naming' - Haworthia and Duvalia as an example, plus the tale of Andrew Carnegie being somewhat underwhelmed when he saw the plant named for him, is there anyone who has named a species after themselves.
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Post by KarlR » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:48 pm

Stuart wrote:Although there have been examples of 'reciprocal naming' - Haworthia and Duvalia as an example, plus the tale of Andrew Carnegie being somewhat underwhelmed when he saw the plant named for him, is there anyone who has named a species after themselves.
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How on earth could Carnegie be underwhelmed by having the Saguaro named after him? :shock:
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Re: Nameing new plants/species

Post by Aiko » Tue Apr 21, 2015 1:17 pm

KarlR wrote:How on earth could Carnegie be underwhelmed by having the Saguaro named after him? :shock:
Maybe he likes to trade with mister Blossfeld...
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Post by DaveW » Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:39 pm

From an account I read of the occasion Carnegie was underwhelmed when he found out the plant was not a new discovery (hardly would have previously been overlooked at that size and visibility) but simply a transfer from Cereus to the new genus Carnegia by Britton & Rose, thereupon immediately lost all interest in it:-

Cereus giganteus Engelmann, Amer. J. Sci. Arts, ser. 2, 14: 336. 1852; Pilocereus giganteus (Engelmann) Rümpler: Carnegiea gigantea (Engelmann) Britton & Rose, J. New York Bot. Gard. 9: 188. 1908.
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Re: Nameing new plants/species

Post by Lithos » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:07 pm

Alfred lau managed to get a lot of things named after himself when it was 'the young boys he was careing for' who did all the work.
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Re: Nameing new plants/species

Post by DaveW » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:22 am

The church at work Lithos, god moves in mysterious ways! :grin:
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Re: Nameing new plants/species

Post by Lithos » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:27 pm

Try explaining that to the boys :shock:
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