echinocereus I.D....

[Rob]

So, this plant came labelled as E.nicholii ssp.llanuraensis, clearly that isn't correct, I don't think we could even call it a short spined form.
Anyone have any suggestions for a more accurate species name for it?
I do have a possible name in mind but would like some other views if possible.
Thanks very much.....

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[MikeT]

E. salm-dyckianus?

[RAYWOODBRIDGE]

Stem shape ( square top ) and spines looks like E.nicholii ssp. llanuraensis to me, but I was not sure of the flower colour, so dug out an old photo of mine in flower ( sorry about the quality ).

[Mal H]

I agree with salm-dyckianus.

[RAYWOODBRIDGE]

to compare this is E. salm-dyckianus

[rodsmith]

I think this is E. salm-dyckianus. Here are a couple of photos of mine.

[Wilk]

I would agree with others. My plant is just about to come into flower for the first time (and has managed to ensure that it co-incides with my week away which starts later today!!).

[DaveW]

The original 1960's Echinocereus salm-dyckianus clone has an orange flower. How much variation in flower colour there is in habitat I do not know, or how much hybridisation has occurred in cultivation. In most species there is some flower colour variation between different clones.

My E. salm-dyckianus.

Edit:- evidently the flower is variable in habitat, also cultivation:-

http://www.echinocereus.de/?tag=salm-dyckianus

http://www.pavko.cz/c/e_cac/echc_sd.htm

[DaveW]

The early illustrations of Echinocereus salm-dyckianus do show a more orange flower:-

http://www.plantillustrations.org/illus ... ion=183655

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cactees-Echinoc ... 1480874934

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echinocereus_scheeri

Britton & Rose also report flower as orange coloured:-

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=vYI ... ns&f=false

However that simply means early clones were this colour and not that it is necessarily typical of the species as now known, although it has often been confused with Echinocereus scheerii in the past

[Rob]

Thanks for your thought so far fella's.

I think it is fair to say that neither my plant from the original post or Ray's plant are in fact llanuraensis, (sorry Ray!)- this is another plant in my collection labelled E.nichollii ssp.llanuraensis, which conforms with the illustration in J.P.'s book :

Unfortunately I cant persuade this one to flower.

I had in mind that the original plant was of the gentry / salm-dyckianus ilk, but find these a bit confusing, so, this is another I have labelled as E.salm-dyckianus :

and this I have as E.obscuriensis (a name apparently sunk into salm-dyckianus);

just a redder flower?

The thing that confused me was the fact that spination wise the first plant is more similar to an older plant I have labelled as E.gentryi, but this has a much longer tube and pink flower:

but then again I have this virtually spineless (ok, VERY short spined) plant as gentry too:

four of the above are all in flower at the moment which is why I was trying to sort out the names - I need to decide which ones to try to cross together!