A couple of echeveria questions (with photos)

[Simon83]

Hi everyone,
I'm very new to echeveria so please bare with me. I was wondering firstly whether anyone knows the name of these which I brought back from holiday in Holland not long ago.....

Another query I have is about the following one which is a setosa I believe but again I don't know the exact name? Its began getting little rusty coloured patches on the leafs - I do have it in a very bright window, do you think this is sunburn?

One final question - I have a couple of plants where the bottom outer leafs are wrinkling up / getting tiny creases in them, I gave them a small water as I thought they were too dry but it doesn't seem to have a made any difference. Can anyone think what this may be? The actual plant seems fine other than the odd leaf like that.
Many thanks everyone,
Simon

[Craney85]

Hello again. Not sure on the first plant but the second I think is echeveria "pulvinata" or "Doris Taylor". I have one it the same thing happened to it last summer, think it's sunburn or heat burn. Maybe sudden exposure to bright conditions or no ventilation.

[juster]

Hi Simon, the second one does look like E. pulvinata or one of its hybrids. The first looks like a plant I was given last year labelled as E. x ramillette

I rather like it and assume one of its parents might be E. derenbergii. Just a suggestion, there are other possibilities.
If your plants are in a window with full sun then they might be a bit too hot and dry, so scorching and wrinkled leaves could occur. It can be tricky to get the right balance with watering and sun, especially early in the year.