Intergeneric Echeveria hybrids for ID + an Echeveria and a Dudleya

[ralphrmartin]

Dear All,

I'm hoping there are some experts out there who can help to identify some plants which are mainly Pachyveria / Graptoveria / Sedeveria, and an Echeveria and a Dudleya...

Picture 1 - two plants. Top, perhaps a Sedeveria and below a Graptoveria? Any offers?

Picture 2 - perhaps a Pachyveria?

Picture 3 - I got these two plants (from the same seller!) as Pachyveria 'Purple Haze' and Pachyveria 'Victor Kane' . Which is it (if either)? And what does the other one look like?

Picture 4 - an Echeveria. Which?

Picture 5 - I asked about this Echeveria before, but got no definitive answerv. Given more light, the leaves are not quite so long and thin. Does this help to ID it?

Picture 6 - a Dudleya, a notoriously difficult genus. Any suggestions?

Finally, as a reward for anyone who got this far, I'm offering to swap a plant of the uncommon Echeveria lutea to anyone who can send me a plant of E. derenbergii or E. minima (or something else interesting).

Thanks!

Ralph

[John Foster]

Hi Ralph,

The lower plant in the first picture looks to be Graptopetalum mendozae. Not sure about any of the others.

[ralphrmartin]

Thanks John. I have a Graptopetalum mendozae, and it looks somewhat different.

[MikeT]

Couple of suggestions:
#1 top plant - Graptoveria 'Alpenglow' (='Bronze')?
#5 Echeveria 'Lancefolia'?

[ralphrmartin]

Thanks Mike.
G. 'Alpenglow': a fair match, although my plant is rather more columnar, and reddish, rather than purple, so I'm not entirely convinced.
E 'Lancefolia': the name surely fits! But I can't seem to find anything about it. Do you have a web link, or a reference to a book with some information about it, please?

[ralphrmartin]

Ah, looking further, there seem to be
Graptoveria 'Alpenglow'
Graptosedum 'Alpenglow'

The former is a purplish flat rosette - but the latter does seem a very good match for my plant. It's a bit confusing there are two hybrids with the same cultivar name, and similar but different parents.

Well done Mike.

[Suculentia]

Number 4 looks like Graptoveria "Titubans".

[MikeT]

Ah, looking further, there seem to be
Graptoveria 'Alpenglow'
Graptosedum 'Alpenglow'

Sorry, Ralph, I should have checked the label before posting. The plant I have in mind is indeed X Graptosedum. It was distributed as ISI 2001-34. The colour does depend on conditions. In the greenhouse it retains a waxy coating, outdoors this gets washed off, and the alternative name 'Bronze' fits quite well.

The Schulz/Kapitany Echeveria cultivars book lists 'Lancefolia' but doesn't give a photo. It's written 'Lanciflolia' on some sites, including the International Crassulaceae Network, but I went by Schulz/Kapitany when labelling mine. I'll take a pic tomorrow/Monday - assuming of course that mine is correctly named...

[ralphrmartin]

Thanks Leo, Mike. We are getting there!

Leo, I'll email you later about the swap.

Mike, where did you get your Lancifolia?

[Liz M]

Hi Ralph have you tried the International Crassulaceae Network, it lists a huge amount of species and hybrids and well worth a look, although trawling through it can take some time. http://www.crassulaceae.ch/de/home