Caudiciform / vine for id
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Re: Caudiciform / vine for id
Pretty sure that is yam?
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i think we should id it;s family first
Dioscoreaceae and Vitaceae are both very possible
I think it's Not Dioscoreaceae.
Because of the vein. DIOSCOREACEAE will have multiple curved central vein.
it must be some dicotyledon family.
Vitaceae will have tendril or butterfly-egg-like droplet grow on new leave.
Present of these characteristic can confirm it's Vitaceae.
But Absent of these characteristic can;t rule out the possible Vitaceae.
Dioscoreaceae and Vitaceae are both very possible
I think it's Not Dioscoreaceae.
Because of the vein. DIOSCOREACEAE will have multiple curved central vein.
it must be some dicotyledon family.
Vitaceae will have tendril or butterfly-egg-like droplet grow on new leave.
Present of these characteristic can confirm it's Vitaceae.
But Absent of these characteristic can;t rule out the possible Vitaceae.
From taiwan. hot humid subtropical island.
Pachypodium grow like weed here.
(not really, but u get the idea hot sunny rainy)
Pachypodium grow like weed here.
(not really, but u get the idea hot sunny rainy)
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Re: Caudiciform / vine for id
Hi Ralph, and all
I'n not convinced that the vein pattern is always an easily distinguished feature. I have D. quartiniana (or at least that's what the seed supplier stated) and it looks very similar to your plant Ralph, both in leaves (apart from being five-lobed rather than three-lobed), leaf venation and tubers. The tubers, like some other Dioscoreas, tend to grow down and out of the drainage holes.
Cheers
Mike
I'n not convinced that the vein pattern is always an easily distinguished feature. I have D. quartiniana (or at least that's what the seed supplier stated) and it looks very similar to your plant Ralph, both in leaves (apart from being five-lobed rather than three-lobed), leaf venation and tubers. The tubers, like some other Dioscoreas, tend to grow down and out of the drainage holes.
Cheers
Mike
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Re: Caudiciform / vine for id
What do you mean by yam? It's a rather ill defined term (which is why Latin names are preferable). Yam usually refers to Dioscorea species of one kind or another, but I agree with kohinoor's argument that it is unlikely to be a Disocorea because of the venation. Monocots usually have parallel veins, while dicots typically have reticulate (branching) veins. It's also not oca (Oxalis tuberosa), or a sweet potato (Ipomoea batatas) which are sometimes called yams.FaeLLe wrote:Pretty sure that is yam?
I went through Wikipedia's entire list of root vegetables (excluding bulbs, which it clearly isn't), and it doesn't match any of them, so I am no nearer to finding out what it might be.
I'm pretty sure it arrived as an unexpected extra in some cactus or succulent I bought, a long time ago, which is why I was asking here...
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Re: Caudiciform / vine for id
Thanks Mike. I do have to agree that the veins are not parallel in D. quartiniana, so perhaps I am being too hasty in writing Dioscorea off as a possibility.Mike wrote: I'n not convinced that the vein pattern is always an easily distinguished feature. I have D. quartiniana (or at least that's what the seed supplier stated) and it looks very similar to your plant Ralph, both in leaves (apart from being five-lobed rather than three-lobed), leaf venation and tubers.
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Re: Caudiciform / vine for id
It looks great though Ralph, I always love caudiciforms!
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Re: Caudiciform / vine for id
If you would like some to try, I'm happy to send you a few so you can let us know if they are edible or poisonous!FaeLLe wrote:It looks great though Ralph, I always love caudiciforms!
Seriously, send me a PM with your address and I'll pop a few in the post. Even better if you have something interesting to send back...
Ralph
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Re: Caudiciform / vine for id
The leaves made me think Cyphostemma.
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Hi Ralph,
Dutchman's pipe?
Dutchman's pipe?
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Re: Caudiciform / vine for id
Jane
I'd be very pleased if it is an Aristolochia - they have amazing flowers...
Ralph
I'd be very pleased if it is an Aristolochia - they have amazing flowers...
Ralph
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