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CITES and cactus seeds: question

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I have been given 100+ seeds of Melocactus smithii by the owner of the land the plants grow on. All I would like to have is a few plants. I've sown 10 seeds, if they germinate well I will have many seeds left. I do not want to waste them and am thinking of selling them on ebay.
M. smithii is a CITES II listed plant. Is it allowed to sell the seeds internationally?
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No problem with CITES II seeds, they can be shipped without any documentation, the problem only clicks in with CITES I seeds. Within the EU you can ship anything. Why are we creating problems in horticulture for ourselves by leaving it? (No responses please David!).

Additional documentation and checking of permitted species lists is required for ANY seeds entering USA, Australia or New Zealand. Also, post to China is very unreliable.
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Terry S. wrote: Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:45 am Additional documentation and checking of permitted species lists is required for ANY seeds entering USA, Australia or New Zealand. Also, post to China is very unreliable.
Re-reading this part of your reply I have one more question: who is supposed to check the permitted species list? Buyer or seller?
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Think some regulations listed in this link will also cover Appendix I seeds:-

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Problems for horticulture were created by ill thought out CITES regulation not going out for public discussion in the first place, not leaving the EU.
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DaveW wrote: Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:11 pm Problems for horticulture were created by ill thought out CITES regulation not going out for public discussion in the first place, not leaving the EU.
Perhaps you can explain, then Dave, how leaving the EU will benefit us. As an advocate of Brexit you surely have an answer. If not, do you now accept that Brexit will in fact disadvantage us?

The point is, we have an existing situation. Whether or not Cites is just, right, or not is not now the issue. That is history. Whether we leave the EU may have major impact on our lives. In a very minor way, maybe, it will affect us here, and we have to face up to that. Feel free to remain in Brexit pain denial.
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Kees wrote: Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:36 am I have been given 100+ seeds of Melocactus smithii by the owner of the land the plants grow on. All I would like to have is a few plants. I've sown 10 seeds, if they germinate well I will have many seeds left. I do not want to waste them and am thinking of selling them on ebay.
M. smithii is a CITES II listed plant. Is it allowed to sell the seeds internationally?
Why not sow them all? Chances are that you will have an adult plant out of 10 seeds are not that high. Maybe half will germinate, and of the five remaining maybe two or three seedlings will be lost in the first year or two. Then there are two remaining, of not unlikely you might lose one or both to overwatering or scorching or an unknown reason.

You could always sell off excess plants if you happen to have 50 seedlings later on. Small plants that might fit a matchbox or other small container are still easy to send via post in a bubble wrapped envelope.
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