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When you look at what is available "over the counter" in other countries you do have to wonder if there is any scientific consensus on the effects.
Interesting the focus on insecticides as well (I guess because of declining bee populations) I wonder what effect all the fertilizers, mollusc killers, moss treatments, fungicides and weed killers that are being turned out instead of insecticides by the garden chemical manufacturers will have long and medium term.
I have a natural scepticism because I do not have a science degree, so at least we have something in common!
I don't play the I know more than you card. My experience as an environmental researcher means I look at weight and body of evidence. I look at sources, and their funding of individual reports.
My strength is not in investigation of neonicotinoids. I do not look at press and media reports. But my research in more authoritative sources convinces me that there is a good case for concern about their use, and there was a good case to establish what you describe as merely a "supposed" relationship with the decline of bee populations.
In deference to The Tunn I will not engage in extended debate on climate change beyond saying if you are denying any anthropogenic effect on climate change you need to seriously look at your attitude and the evidence which seems to have a consensus from scientists whose credentials are substantial and up-to-date on this issue. Bluster is allowed in response. If you are not denying that, fine. We have no disagreement.
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Assure us that they must be so.
Oh! let us never, never doubt
What nobody is sure about!
Me I'd rather stick with the precautionary principle. Don't step on a banana skin, if it's never been proved you'll end up on your backside. Issues such as bee decline and climate change are far too serious and urgent for us to hold relaxed and ambivalent views.
Scientists ought to know? Few I have had communication with over the years have not exhibited some bias. I trust biased scientists as much as I would trust a politician whose views disagreed with mine. Same thing, basically ;-)