Maria, it's a symmetrica! (btw, is it flowering? we might be able to tell the sex now. Mine are almost all flowering, even though they should be asleep. Even the smallest one, about 3cm x 3cm, has some tiny buds.)
Now I look more closely at Mama, she is at least part symmetrica. Girlie seems to have developed some symmetrica-like stripes too.
The only pure plain old obesa I have are Old Girl and little Y... Gal was bought in 1999, and Y came from John Young.
Has anyone seen a pure obesa in a garden centre recently? They might die out if breeders are crossing them indiscriminately and labelling everything E. obesa... which is techincally correct, but...
