Garden Centres - good or bad?

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I went to a Frosts today, and once I had woven my way through the china plug in lamps (the upmarket version of the in-socket nightlight), the overpriced polar fleeces, Valentine candles, fridge magnets, wind chimes, fluffy animals, gift bags and bows, and assorted things we can't possibly live without...

... I came across the indoor plants. Since I was in the place of my original Forby, perhaps I had too high an expectation of the cactus/succulent display.

I found Lithops in wet soil, bulging fit to pop, and those were the lucky ones. Some Lithops had great tears in their sides, one so badly split that the top of the cone had fallen off and lay on the soil. I even found one with such a side splitting that two pairs of baby leaves were emerging from the side of the plant!! The fissure remained unsplit.

Poor little Lithops!!! I was tempted to try and rescue some, but they would probably die on me anyway, so I left them, but kept going back to have a look at them. I was fascinated at seeing the little leaves... even though they shouldn't be seen yet.

I wondered to myself, do these places help or hurt the hobby of any kind of plant collecting, be it cacti, azaleas, orchids, ornamental grasses etc.?

I guess not everyone has access to a proper nursery where plants are cared for by those who grow and know them. But... I saw a few Haworthia, a couple of dry aucampiae, at least ten different cacti (excluding the poor unfortunate specimens superglued into gaudy pots).

I think it's not about a shopping habit but more of a mentality - I guess we plant lovers here see a plant as not some inanimate object that exists to fit our purposes, but fascinating little living things that we have a responsibilty towards - to learn about how to keep them, and give them the best chance we can, in return for the magic of watching them grow, flower, and reproduce.

I am not sure that there is any cure for the attitude that a plant is akin to ornaments... disposable. You keep it for as long as you want it, and if it becomes visually less pleasing (no more flowers, too big for it's assigned spot, etc.) then you can throw it in the bin without a second thought, and replace it with another. These attitudes probably develop early in life.

eg. my mother has this attitude, but I'm not making any age-related assumptions... my family are not a representitive sample of the human race! Her father was a great gardener and lover of green things... so I guess upbringing is not the whole story.

One thing that gives me more hope for the future of cactus and all plant loving/collecting as a hobby... children nowadays are taught about environemntal issues and possibly develop a greater respect for live things as a byproduct?

This may be entirely unrelated, and subjective to me :D but there are more vegetarians now... are our attitides toward living things changing over time? Or is it just a cultural factor, which means statistically someone born in 1980 is more likely to become veggie than one born in 1950?

Herein a deeper question lies. If we grew up a hundred years ago, would we all think that surgery is a terrible thing, an abomination against God? In a hundred years time, will we all discuss how to genetically engineer our Lithops so they grow more funky patterns and colours? Pink Lithops with blue spots, anyone?

But then again, even if the world suddenly developed a love and reverence for all things green, there would still be a majority who did not care to collect them, even though they might feel sad for a burst Lithops.

Still, I don't feel that my attitude toward plants was shaped by visits to garden centres... else I would probably just think, "what a pity nobody knows how to care for Lithops, they will lose some money there."

So... I guess I think they are a good thing. Ornament seekers will go there, but so will plant lovers who can't get to a nursery, and pick out the bulging Lithops and dry em out, quick.

Are the two mutually exclusive? :)

Plenty to think about on the drive home! :D

All thoughts and ideas welcome. :)
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Attitudes have changed . My cavemen ancestors would throw a stone at food that moved. I would reach for a 12 bore.......er have I lost the plot......................:-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
On the subject of garden centres I often buy bits and pieces but only if I am there very soon after they have had a fresh delivery
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Good or bad? I say awful! The plants that are bought in are generally good quality, astonishingly cheap really, if a little pumped from their rapid growth. But I don't know a single garden centre that even attempts to maintain them in good health, and pest outbreaks are common. Keeping them in the peat for very long would be quite a task anyway, I'm sure they are composted every few months as a new batch comes in.

Spotted the fake flowers out in force again this week. Why do I even go to Wyevales?

Another large garden centre had a lot of healthy cacti and an array of non-burst, no scarred Lithops, although they were underneath a table almost in the dark.

I have to recommend that you stick with the specialists even if it means ordering through the post. It can be hard sometimes, waiting weeks or months for a cactus show and sale, not buying things placed in front of you every week, but my experience is it just isn't worth the heartache.
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The problem is Julie so many Garden Centres are now like mini shopping malls, the plants are almost secondary to everything else. Most of them don't have the knowledge to care for anything apart the outdoor stuff and they don't manage that too well, because the plants are so cheap and the profits so high, particularly on bedding plants a few losses are bearable.

Will peoples attitudes change I doubt it we live in a disposable society, we want the latest, most fasionable and most popular and we want it now. N
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Good point, Bill... I hadn't thought of that. "it has not flowered! I'll put it in the bin and get a "better" one.. rather than wonder how I can make it more happy by moving it, watering it less, etc...

When my parents were married, they lived in a bare house and saved up for carpets and furniture. My first place luckily came with basic furniture and over time I added a few rugs and wicker things that I could manage on the bus. Nowadays it's fluffy sofas on interest-free credit, and buy another when it falls to pieces. Just one example of many...

So, this works against the respect toward living green things... possibly, if crammed in between the teddies and the china vases, that mentality might be discouraged. It's green throwaway materialism.

But I guess not everyone is this way inclined... I still think that the strongest conditioning can't take away that feeling of seeing a new flower come out, or peeping at new Lithops leaves through the crack... that magical sense of how precious life is.

But I agree that they are yucky horrible places, after seeing those poor lithops.

I think that most of the profit is made in the tea rooms. :P
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hi julie

garden centers have to cover a bit of everything to get in enough customers to make a living, the 2 nearest ones to me (20 miles away) turn into christmas grotto's every october ::o one is a nationwide chainstore and tends to have a few cacti labled something like "cacti mixed" one one stand. the other is quite a large local nursery......again just the one stand, sometimes a bit of overflow.......but they do sometimes have named plants......things like "mammillaria sp" and every so often the plants actually have a lable from the supplier with both names :) they also tend to look after their plants better.

still it's not all bad........while i was in france last year on holiday i stopped at a couple of garden centers where although they had more plants .......a lot were dead or dying, and all had those awful paper flowers glued onto them :( theres nothing quite so sad as seeing a dead plant covered in paper flowers :(

i still like to pop into my local garden centers once or twice a month to see whats new, every now and again i find a really good sized plant or something a bit unusual :).

my nearest proper cactus nursery is about 2 hours drive away, so its either mail order, a day trip or a look at the local garden centers.

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More thought provocation!!!!

Bill Wrote:
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> The problem is Julie so many Garden Centres are
> now like mini shopping malls, the plants are
> almost secondary to everything else.

Our local garden centre has a cafeteria that is bigger than the whole sales area of the specialist nursery where I work!!

Garden Centres feed the sunday day out more than they cater for gardeners and plant collecors.

But like Roy said (and others have found judging by some recent pics)it is possible to find reasonable plants if you are there at the right time.

Ian - I have complained to the deaf ears of managers about fake flowers in the past Now I think you just have accept that if some people do buy them then G/C's will keep on selling them.
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I've picked up the odd nice plant here and then Julie. I tend to find gc prices are a little high in comparison to specialist c&s nurseries. You can't really beat a proper nursery for variety and maybe to find that long searched for plant. Gcs tend to always have the same plants in and those horrid grafted orange/red/yellow gymnos that look like lollipops. Most I expect are imported from Holland, grown in peat and a little plumped up and green. Usually they soon become neglected or overwatered and look a little sorry for themselves. Everytime I go into my loical Wyevale I see this one cactus which is absolutely covered in mealies, been there for months. Surely someone who works there knows what they are. I think as Roy says you've got too be there when they've just or not long had a delivery and rescue the plants before they deteriorate.
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Aw.. I saw a dead Lithops today, totally withered and brown. I don't want to see another!

Xmas stuff.. ugh.. another thing turned throwaway! :(

Ian, it surely made me appreciate the lovely Lithops I have, cared for up to the point they came to me. I knew if I tried to rescue the ones I saw today, it'd just end in tears so I left them alone.

I guess nurseries attract a higher proportion of job applications from people who love plants, than garden centres which are mostly non-plant.

Vic - I saw some of those poor technicolour things today, welded into pots with gravel cemented around.
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One more little thing... timewarp! Thanks to Victoria for the idea.

My best garden centre find has to be my first Forby, from the place I went today. There was one forby there today too.

Eight years ago (minus about 3 weeks), it could have been me seeing it for the first time. This forby will be bought by someone else. Yep, I resisted!

What if that one Forby triggers someone else to fall in love with it, buy it, take care of it, learn about it, look for a partner for it and so on? In eight years' time, they might be signing up here to want to talk about forbies with us.

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