iann Wrote:
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> Welcome to the wacky world of Delosperma names in
> the horticultural trade. The only thing I can say
> for sure without seeing the plant is that it isn't
> D. congestum! This species is not known in
> cultivation and if the genus is ever revised the
> name will probably be dropped as dubious.
>
> The plant usually given this name is a compact
> species with triquetrous (am I allowed to use that
> word on here?) leaves and small yellow flowers.
> It also may come with a cultivar name, often
> having flowers with a white eye, and occasionally
> the name is attached to completely different
> Delospermas. I once had a "D. congestum" with a
> purple flower which was almost certainly D.
> cooperi. Another plant that often carries the
> name is superficially similar D. sp Lesotho which
> also has yellow flowers, but is very compact with
> distinct teeth along the edges of the leaves.
>
> This plant in all its forms is certainly cold
> hardy throughout the UK. I find it not as
> tolerant of winter wet as some Delospermas so
> would need careful positioning outside.
Hi Ian,
Yep, using the term triquetrous here is good. I've been trying to edify folks here, so join the club!
So D. congestum ain't in cultivation - that's really good to know! Think my newly acquired plant will have yellow flowers, or should this be petaloid staminodes?
This'll teach me to enter the world of mesembs. I'll maybe rename it Delosperma sp. and leave it at that. If it survives outdoors then so be it. A plant of such dubious taxonomic status won't get house room in my greenhouse that's for sure.
Ever wondered why Delospermas are drought tolerant?
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Re: Ever wondered why Delospermas are drought tolerant?
Lindsey Wrote:
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> This is my Yellow Delo, bought as a congested pot
> of seedlings from Wakehurst Place plant sales area
> with a "lost label - probably not fully hardy"
> note - I guess they were grown from Kew seed.
>
> It seems to be pretty hardy, I think I still have
> some pieces. I gave a couple of pots to my
> neighbour who grows hardy succulents (Sempervivum,
> Sedum etc.) very well, and I remember last year
> that her plants were flowering merrily while mine
> never budded!
Hi Lindsey,
Yep, my new plant looks like this, although as yet I've not seen its flowers. The leaves look triquetrous as Ian's pointed out.
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> This is my Yellow Delo, bought as a congested pot
> of seedlings from Wakehurst Place plant sales area
> with a "lost label - probably not fully hardy"
> note - I guess they were grown from Kew seed.
>
> It seems to be pretty hardy, I think I still have
> some pieces. I gave a couple of pots to my
> neighbour who grows hardy succulents (Sempervivum,
> Sedum etc.) very well, and I remember last year
> that her plants were flowering merrily while mine
> never budded!
Hi Lindsey,
Yep, my new plant looks like this, although as yet I've not seen its flowers. The leaves look triquetrous as Ian's pointed out.
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Delosperma taxonomy
There's an article by Gerhard Wagner in the MSG Bulletin, "Delosperma N.E.Br. from Lesotho and Neighbouring Areas - Photos of Ambiguous Species from Habitat and Dubious Plants from Cultivation". 2004, MSG Bulletin 19(2), 42-46. 16 colour photos, 13 references. Populations with yellow, red (sic) and white flowers are discussed.
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Re: Ever wondered why Delospermas are drought tolerant?
Colin Walker Wrote:
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> This'll teach me to enter the world of mesembs.
Well I'm glad you are getting the practice as the Scottish Zoner is expecting great things from you in October when you judge the mesemb show!!!
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> This'll teach me to enter the world of mesembs.
Well I'm glad you are getting the practice as the Scottish Zoner is expecting great things from you in October when you judge the mesemb show!!!
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Re: Ever wondered why Delospermas are drought tolerant?
BrianMc Wrote:
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> Colin Walker Wrote:
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> > This'll teach me to enter the world of mesembs.
>
>
>
>
> Well I'm glad you are getting the practice as the
> Scottish Zoner is expecting great things from you
> in October when you judge the mesemb show!!!
>
Hi Brian,
I did warn your colleagues north of the border that I know very little about mesembs, but they still went ahead and booked me to speak at the convention. I think you're in luck 'cos they chose Aloes through the ages as the title. However, as you're indicating, along with this I'm also supposed to judge mesembs in the show. Oh boy could that be a hoot, so please don't shoot me if I get too many things wrong.
My collection contains a mere handful of mesembs - indeed I grow far far more cacti than mesembs - how's that for a confession from an avid succulent grower?
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> Colin Walker Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This'll teach me to enter the world of mesembs.
>
>
>
>
> Well I'm glad you are getting the practice as the
> Scottish Zoner is expecting great things from you
> in October when you judge the mesemb show!!!
>
Hi Brian,
I did warn your colleagues north of the border that I know very little about mesembs, but they still went ahead and booked me to speak at the convention. I think you're in luck 'cos they chose Aloes through the ages as the title. However, as you're indicating, along with this I'm also supposed to judge mesembs in the show. Oh boy could that be a hoot, so please don't shoot me if I get too many things wrong.
My collection contains a mere handful of mesembs - indeed I grow far far more cacti than mesembs - how's that for a confession from an avid succulent grower?
Cheers,
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Re: Ever wondered why Delospermas are drought tolerant?
Colin Walker Wrote:
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My collection contains a mere handful of mesembs -
> indeed I grow far far more cacti than mesembs -
> how's that for a confession from an avid succulent
> grower?
Well by my reckoning, you have got just under 10 months to put that right and get 'cramming'(:D
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My collection contains a mere handful of mesembs -
> indeed I grow far far more cacti than mesembs -
> how's that for a confession from an avid succulent
> grower?
Well by my reckoning, you have got just under 10 months to put that right and get 'cramming'(:D
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Re: Ever wondered why Delospermas are drought tolerant?
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> Well by my reckoning, you have got just under 10
> months to put that right and get 'cramming'(:D
Hi Brian,
I can just about distinguish a Lithops from a Lampranthus and a I'm sure I'll know a Monilaria from a Melocactus - will that do?
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> Well by my reckoning, you have got just under 10
> months to put that right and get 'cramming'(:D
Hi Brian,
I can just about distinguish a Lithops from a Lampranthus and a I'm sure I'll know a Monilaria from a Melocactus - will that do?
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Re: Ever wondered why Delospermas are drought tolerant?
Colin, just remember that the taller, fatter, and greener, the better Does that sounds about right, Brian?
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Re: Ever wondered why Delospermas are drought tolerant?
iann Wrote:
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> Colin, just remember that the taller, fatter, and
> greener, the better Does that sounds about
> right, Brian?
Are you talking about the plants or the growers?
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> Colin, just remember that the taller, fatter, and
> greener, the better Does that sounds about
> right, Brian?
Are you talking about the plants or the growers?
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Re: Ever wondered why Delospermas are drought tolerant?
BrianMc Wrote:
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> Are you talking about the plants or the growers?
My mesembs can hear me chuckling!!
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> Are you talking about the plants or the growers?
My mesembs can hear me chuckling!!
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