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Cumulopuntia subterranea ssp. pulcherimma

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:23 am
by SimonR
This plant brings me untold joy every year. It’s rapidly expanding across this 7’’ pot and treats me to these lovely flowers.

Re: Cumulopuntia subterranea ssp. pulcherimma

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2023 10:26 am
by Cactuscat2
Looks a lovely plant, can see why you enjoy it - so would I! :grin:

Re: Cumulopuntia subterranea ssp. pulcherimma

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:08 pm
by el48tel
Becoming wooed ... slowly.

Re: Cumulopuntia subterranea ssp. pulcherimma

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:42 pm
by ralphrmartin
This looks very much like a plant I got at ELK a couple of years back as Cumulopuntia subterranea ssp. incahuasi. Mine too flowers well, with similar coloured flowers.

Re: Cumulopuntia subterranea ssp. pulcherimma

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:54 pm
by ianstrutt
I have a similar sized plant that hasn’t produced flowers yet for me. Let’s hope for a late flourish this year.

Ralph, according to llifle maihueniopsis subterranea ssp. pulcherrima = puna subterranea f. incahuasi = cumulopuntia subterranea ssp. pulcherrima
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Re: Cumulopuntia subterranea ssp. pulcherimma

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:36 pm
by Tony R
ralphrmartin wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:42 pm This looks very much like a plant I got at ELK a couple of years back as Cumulopuntia subterranea ssp. incahuasi. Mine too flowers well, with similar coloured flowers.
Yes, indeed, Ralph. This is the clone that seems to have flooded the market from Europe, via ELK, David Neville, etc, etc.....

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The rarer clone in my opinion, is the 'original' one eg below BLMT 069.02 which I acquired from Martin Lowry in 2009 with scarlet rather than magenta flowers:

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ianstrutt wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:54 pm Ralph, according to llifle maihueniopsis subterranea ssp. pulcherrima = puna subterranea f. incahuasi = cumulopuntia subterranea ssp. pulcherrima


ian, the sequence of genus changes for subterranea is as follows:


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Re: Cumulopuntia subterranea ssp. pulcherimma

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2023 8:00 pm
by Phil_SK
ianstrutt wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:54 pmaccording to llifle maihueniopsis subterranea ssp. pulcherrima = puna subterranea f. incahuasi = cumulopuntia subterranea ssp. pulcherrima
That's disappointing: there is no validly published name for this in Puna.

Re: Cumulopuntia subterranea ssp. pulcherimma

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2023 8:06 pm
by RayW
Tony. I have both clones ( by accident ). Bought the incahuasi at ELK 2018 because I thought it was a new species with more spines than the Martin Lowry plant.
My two have never flowered at the same time, so I always thought they were the same colour.

Re: Cumulopuntia subterranea ssp. pulcherimma

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2023 8:13 pm
by ianstrutt
Tony R wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:36 pm
ralphrmartin wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:42 pm This looks very much like a plant I got at ELK a couple of years back as Cumulopuntia subterranea ssp. incahuasi. Mine too flowers well, with similar coloured flowers.
Yes, indeed, Ralph. This is the clone that seems to have flooded the market from Europe, via ELK, David Neville, etc, etc.....


Image3.jpg


The rarer clone in my opinion, is the 'original' one eg below BLMT 069.02 which I acquired from Martin Lowry in 2009 with scarlet rather than magenta flowers:


Image1.jpg


ianstrutt wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:54 pm Ralph, according to llifle maihueniopsis subterranea ssp. pulcherrima = puna subterranea f. incahuasi = cumulopuntia subterranea ssp. pulcherrima


ian, the sequence of genus changes for subterranea is as follows:



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I’m struggling to see the difference in flower colour, but that’s more my eyes than anything else. I have to say, I think the bodies of the ‘original’ clone are definitely more attractive than the one I have.

Re: Cumulopuntia subterranea ssp. pulcherimma

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2023 8:23 pm
by Tony R
Sorry, Ian, the colours in the photos on the screen don't do it justice. When you see them side by side in the flrsh they are markedly different.