Brexit deal and imports
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Brexit deal and imports
Looks like the end of plant imports from the EU as far as individuals are concerned, at least in practical terms. There are various charges for importing, you need to register in advance online using a form which assumes you are a business, you need to give advance notification of shipments, make sure the shipments have phytosanitary certificates, etc.
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Re: Brexit deal and imports
Is this anything you've gleaned from the new "deal" Ralph, or is this just underscoring what we've assumed/know for a while?ralphrmartin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:39 pm Looks like the end of plant imports from the EU as far as individuals are concerned, at least in practical terms. There are various charges for importing, you need to register in advance online using a form which assumes you are a business, you need to give advance notification of shipments, make sure the shipments have phytosanitary certificates, etc.
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Re: Brexit deal and imports
That sounds like more work than importing from outside the EU!
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Re: Brexit deal and imports
I think it's exactly the same if you care to do the imports "by the book" - of course not every parcel is inspected and plants do go through without any paperwork, but it's rather illegal.
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Is the 10k page deal document available anywhere?ralphrmartin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:39 pm Looks like the end of plant imports from the EU as far as individuals are concerned, at least in practical terms. There are various charges for importing, you need to register in advance online using a form which assumes you are a business, you need to give advance notification of shipments, make sure the shipments have phytosanitary certificates, etc.
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Re: Brexit deal and imports
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Re: Brexit deal and imports
I've imported small packages from outside the EU with phytosanitary certificates and was told that was all that was needed by the seller (who did this on a regular basis and had packages inspected a number of times apparently.) Crassulacae aren't listed as one of the 'plants for planting' that needs you to register and pre-notify, though like most government dictats recently it is the clearest of documents as to whether all plants imported are covered or not.
I didn't click on the link about post 2020 as I didn't want the headache!!!
I didn't click on the link about post 2020 as I didn't want the headache!!!
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Re: Brexit deal and imports
From a government website (albeit last updated 21 December but not changed since the deal was announced):
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/importing-a ... nuary-2021
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Re: Brexit deal and imports
I took 'plants for planting' to mean any plant to be stuck in the ground or in a pot to be grown,
as opposed to say
- a plant or plant parts to be consumed as food
- cut or dried flowers, decorative wreaths etc
- materials like wood, paper, straw, cotton etc
- etc.
but I have to admit I could not find a definition.
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Re: Brexit deal and imports
Ralph is correct. "Plants for planting" means plants to be subsequently grown on as living plants, in some manner, as opposed to for example, being eaten, displayed briefly in a vase and discarded, woven into baskets or sawn into timber etc.ralphrmartin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:19 pmI took 'plants for planting' to mean any plant to be stuck in the ground or in a pot to be grown,
as opposed to say
- a plant or plant parts to be consumed as food
- cut or dried flowers, decorative wreaths etc
- materials like wood, paper, straw, cotton etc
- etc.
but I have to admit I could not find a definition.
From " REGULATION (EU) 2016/2031 OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT OF THE COUNCIL
of 26 October 2016 ":
(3) ‘planting’ means any operation for the placing of plants in a growing medium, or by grafting or similar operations, to ensure their subsequent growth, reproduction or propagation;
(4) ‘plants for planting’ means plants intended to remain planted, to be planted or to be replanted
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In our heads as gardeners then that makes sense as we know the boundary between planted and potted for a plant can merely be a matter of the time of the year.
However, in the dictionary planted is defined as;
"put (a seed, bulb, or plant) in the ground so that it can grow."
Though, interestingly potting can be defined as planting in a pot!
The only way it would get decided is in a court and I'm not going to start looking for case histories when this legislation lapses in a week! Let's hope they write the new stuff more clearly (but they won't as we've seen with all the plant passport nonsense!)
I hope those who voted for this nonsense are so glad we've "taken back control"!
However, in the dictionary planted is defined as;
"put (a seed, bulb, or plant) in the ground so that it can grow."
Though, interestingly potting can be defined as planting in a pot!
The only way it would get decided is in a court and I'm not going to start looking for case histories when this legislation lapses in a week! Let's hope they write the new stuff more clearly (but they won't as we've seen with all the plant passport nonsense!)
I hope those who voted for this nonsense are so glad we've "taken back control"!
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