I recently acquired a plant of Euphorbia succulenta and whilst pondering what to put on the label I checked out the progression of the taxonomy.
So we have Euphorbia succulenta (Schweick.) Bruyns 2007 syn. Euphorbia neostapelioides Bruyns 2006 syn. Monadenium succulentum Schweick. 1935 syn. Monadenium stapelioides Pax 1909.
The plant was sold as Monadenium stapelioides which went out in 1935 so really, just how long does it take to get a new name into common usage. Will this plant be commonly known as Euphorbia succulenta this century?
It only took Bruyns a year to change his mind so maybe the question should be. What will it be called next week?
Euphorbia succulenta
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Re: Euphorbia succulenta
I rarely change the labels from when I first get them so its anyone's guess, just admire the plants & not the labels.
Tina
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varied collection of succulents and cacti but I especially like Euphorbia's, Ariocarpus and variegated agaves.
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Re: Euphorbia succulenta
And I am on the opposite end of the "re-labellers", but also admire the plants, not the labels!
(E.g., how could one not re-label a plant to a Baculellum articulatum?!)
(E.g., how could one not re-label a plant to a Baculellum articulatum?!)
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Re: Euphorbia succulenta
Slightly different interpretation:FredG wrote:So we have Euphorbia succulenta (Schweick.) Bruyns 2007 syn. Euphorbia neostapelioides Bruyns 2006 syn. Monadenium succulentum Schweick. 1935 syn. Monadenium stapelioides Pax 1909.
The plant was sold as Monadenium stapelioides which went out in 1935 [...] It only took Bruyns a year to change his mind
1909 - Pax describes Monadenium stapelioides.
1935 - Schweickerdt describes M. succulentum, believing it to be different.
unknown date - these two become treated as synonyms, with M. stapelioides, the older name, being used and M. succulenta becoming forgotten in time.
2006 - Bruyns wants to move Monadenium stapelioides into Euphorbia but can't call it Euphorbia stapelioides because there's already a [different] plant using that name, so coins a replacement name, E. neostapelioides.
2007 - realises that there was an old forgotten synonym that should have been used on transferring it to Euphorbia, so creates the name Euphorbia succulenta formally.
I don't know anything about monadeniums but could imagine that Monadenium stapelioides has long use and is well established in growers' minds.
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Re: Euphorbia succulenta
I never, ever relabel I add additional labels.
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Re: Euphorbia succulenta
Did you mean:
2006 - Bruyns wants to move Monadenium stapelioides into Euphorbia but can't call it Euphorbia stapelioides because there's already a [different] plant using that name, so coins a replacement name, E. neostapelioides.
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Re: Euphorbia succulenta
This year marks the 50th anniversary of the kindling of my interest in succulent plants, and in all that time I cannot recall ever seeing this particular species labelled as anything other than Monadenium stapelioides. I realise that I am imminent danger of being considered 'an old stick-in-the-mud', but there's not much likelihood that I will ever consider it to be anything other than a Monadenium.
Perhaps the fact that I still use names such as Notocactus, Lobivia and Cochemiea are indicators of the years I have enjoyed in this wonderful hobby. It's amazing how the passing of time alters your perception and acceptance of proposed taxonomic changes.
Perhaps the fact that I still use names such as Notocactus, Lobivia and Cochemiea are indicators of the years I have enjoyed in this wonderful hobby. It's amazing how the passing of time alters your perception and acceptance of proposed taxonomic changes.
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Re: Euphorbia succulenta
I'm with PhilSK
I add a new label with the new data
Or
Add the new data to a new copy of the old label data
I add a new label with the new data
Or
Add the new data to a new copy of the old label data
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Re: Euphorbia succulenta
I did. I'll fix the original! Cheers,
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Re: Euphorbia succulenta
I do some write the latest name on the other side of the label, does that make me Bi-label
Tina
varied collection of succulents and cacti but I especially like Euphorbia's, Ariocarpus and variegated agaves.
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varied collection of succulents and cacti but I especially like Euphorbia's, Ariocarpus and variegated agaves.
Bucks, UK
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