Ariocarpus

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Re: Ariocarpus

Post by Acid John » Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:49 am

He paid someone for those plants.
They benefited financially.
They will now go and dig some more up.
Stopping the money supply will halt the trade in illegal plants.
Ok it will not stop environmental damage but it is a start.
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Re: Ariocarpus

Post by Chris L » Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:54 am

Diane wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:43 pm
I see that all the listings for this seller have been ended due to “an error in the listing”, so maybe a complaint was acted on!
All they have done is relisted them..... (td)
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Re: Ariocarpus

Post by edds » Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:10 am

Has someone who is confident in their knowledge of these plants reported these to eBay and the police as suggested earlier?

According to this document,
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... NppKQgSds3

It needs reporting to the police via 101 as it isn't urgent.
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Re: Ariocarpus

Post by Ernie » Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:47 am

I get a little annoyed when I read these threads. There are a number of people who post regularly on this forum , and others in the BCSS who don't make public comments, who have habitat collected plants in their collection either from Specks or visiting ELK and other places. I used to have them but saw the light.
I have said it before but here again; the BCSS should ban from the national shows any plant known or indeed suspected to have been habitat collected at any time in the recent or distant past. Its no good just saying we don't like the practice of habitat collecting, do something about it. If that means a BCSS member or two is aggrieved at not being able to pick up a prize or two then so be it. Time to get a real grip not just throw out platitudes or sound bites.
Sorry, but moaning about the ebay seller is not going to stop anything.
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Re: Ariocarpus

Post by Acid John » Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:18 am

'Distant past'. Everything we have is derived from material that was habitat collected.
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Re: Ariocarpus

Post by el48tel » Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:26 am

It is unfortunate that we have done so many wrongs, that we are now trying to correct in the public eye, whilst trying to hide them and "forget" that we made those errors in the not too distant past
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Re: Ariocarpus

Post by MatDz » Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:33 am

Ernie wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:47 am
I get a little annoyed when I read these threads. There are a number of people who post regularly on this forum , and others in the BCSS who don't make public comments, who have habitat collected plants in their collection either from Specks or visiting ELK and other places. I used to have them but saw the light.
I have said it before but here again; the BCSS should ban from the national shows any plant known or indeed suspected to have been habitat collected at any time in the recent or distant past. Its no good just saying we don't like the practice of habitat collecting, do something about it. If that means a BCSS member or two is aggrieved at not being able to pick up a prize or two then so be it. Time to get a real grip not just throw out platitudes or sound bites.
Sorry, but moaning about the ebay seller is not going to stop anything.
el48tel wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:26 am
It is unfortunate that we have done so many wrongs, that we are now trying to correct in the public eye, whilst trying to hide them and "forget" that we made those errors in the not too distant past
Banning from shows sounds like a good idea, but what else are you both suggesting should be done? Should all habitat collected plants, even if obtained fully legally "then", be seized and destroyed? What's the point of that or similar actions?
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Re: Ariocarpus

Post by Tina » Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:34 am

Oh change the record Ernie, you have had 3 or 4 collections you sold off, all with habitat collected plant, you used to boast about your Specks plant and being friends with Ernst & c Roy Mottram, you didn't see the light & have those Ant plants that were ex-habitat.
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Re: Ariocarpus

Post by Stuart » Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:57 am

I wouldn't like to be the judge that had to explain to an exhibitor why he banned a 50 year Aztekium they'd grown from seed because it looked the same as they do in habitat.

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Re: Ariocarpus

Post by Ernie » Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:07 pm

Don't get personal Tina (Mods please note) Please feel free to attack the message but lets not be personal.
Yes for many years I had habitat collected plants many of which were bought by members of this forum including you when I sold up.
I did see the light and yes I could now still afford to buy the biggest and best habitat collected plants available through various sources if I was so minded but I don't, I am not a hypocrite.
As for the ant plant, get real Tina they are raised in a nursery in the far east.
You wont shut me up and your motivation for trying is obvious.
As for banning suspected habitat collected plants from the national show, that would sent out a clear message. It would also mean people like yourself who have many such plants would enjoy them at home without the wider public knowing you have them.

There will come a time quite soon I think when owning such plants will be akin to having ivory, wont be able to sell them at all. The BCSS needs to do more than just say they don't support habitat collecting and wont have them displayed on this forum or elsewhere. Times change and we have to change with them, CITES has been around for some time now, hobbyists and the society need to move with the times which are now very much conservation driven.

BTW Mods. The report a post does not work.
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