Cintia? or not?
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Re: Cintia? or not?
Do you have the DKG's "Sulcorebutien - Kleinode aus Bolivien"? I don't but, from memory having borrowed it once, there's a photo of a plant under Sulcorebutia torotorensis, maybe Lau 327, which I think looks a bit like your plant. It stuck in my head because I didn't think it was this - it looked quite neocumingii-like.
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Re: Cintia? or not?
Phil's comment made me remember a few pages of Augustin's Sulcorebutia book from 2000. Been a few years since I read it, and it's in German so I suppose I've mostly looked at the photos.
Anyway, it's interesting to read that S. torotorensis was originally described by Cardenas as Weingartia, and that Ritter later on erected a monotypic genus Cinnabarinea for it. It does share some resemblance to your plant, though not the soft spines.
A bit further on in that same book, there is a description of a spec. with the field nr HS 213, which also somewhat resembles your plant. It is pictured with yellow flowers from high up the body, but the description states it has also been found with red and purple flowers. Again, it looks more spiny than your plant, but this spec. with purple flowers and softer spines would maybe be a good fit. It is also found in the Torotoro area.
Anyway, it's interesting to read that S. torotorensis was originally described by Cardenas as Weingartia, and that Ritter later on erected a monotypic genus Cinnabarinea for it. It does share some resemblance to your plant, though not the soft spines.
A bit further on in that same book, there is a description of a spec. with the field nr HS 213, which also somewhat resembles your plant. It is pictured with yellow flowers from high up the body, but the description states it has also been found with red and purple flowers. Again, it looks more spiny than your plant, but this spec. with purple flowers and softer spines would maybe be a good fit. It is also found in the Torotoro area.
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Re: Cintia? or not?
Weingartia has been mentioned so here is my old Weingartia purpurea LAU 336 From 'Windyridge'.
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Re: Cintia? or not?
That is a 'blast from the past'! A fine little nursery/polytunnel when I visited, run by Phil Allcock.
At that time Mamm theresae seedlings were £1 (I bought just one) but Mamm goldii seedlings were £16 (I didn't buy one).
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Re: Cintia? or not?
Indeed I do - it is worth joining the DKG just to buy their excellent books. I had a look at the pics of Sulcorebutia torotorensis, and while the flowers are a fair match to some forms, I dont think it's that. As well as the difference in spination, the tubercles seem to be "hatchet shaped" rather than the more rounded ones seen on Cintias, and my plant.
Thanks for the suggestion, and it has prompted me to have a look through the whole book when I get time.
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Re: Cintia? or not?
Nice plant, but a "Sulcorebutia" type of Weingartia.
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Re: Cintia? or not?
Here is a further picture of my plant, without flowers, and a bit more from the side. Any further comments welcome.
I do have to say that the newest tubercles look more hatchet shaped.
I do have to say that the newest tubercles look more hatchet shaped.
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