Aloe perrieri & bellatula?

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Aloe perrieri & bellatula?

Post by Acid John » Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:36 pm

On the left is perrieri and bellatula on the right (If the photos display correct orientation). Does anyone know what the difference between the two is, they are both the same age and cultivation wise.
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Re: Aloe perrieri & bellatula?

Post by Terry S. » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:10 am

Reynolds:-

Per - leaves 20-30cm long, 15-20mm wide
Bel - leaves 10-13cm long, 9-10mm wide

Inflorescences of similar height

So basically, bellatula is a much smaller plant, otherwise similar.
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Re: Aloe perrieri & bellatula?

Post by Acid John » Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:56 am

Thank you Terry. I had seen references to Perrieri being less likely to offshoot and Bellatula more so.
Plus statements that one had a rougher surface texture without annoyingly saying which one.
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Re: Aloe perrieri & bellatula?

Post by Christian » Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:07 pm

The recent Aloe guide mentions about 16 leaves for A. bellatula, 10-15 for perrieri. Also 35 flowers on a raceme of 12-16cm length for A. bellatula vs. 20-30 flowers on a slightly longer raceme of 15-20cm on perrieri.

It goes on to say that both are likely to be the same species, coming from the same mountain range. „The somewhat larger size of A perrieri may well be attributed to more benign climate and soil conditions (...).“
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Re: Aloe perrieri & bellatula?

Post by Christian » Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:09 pm

There is no mention of the two differences you mentioned, as far as I can see?
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Re: Aloe perrieri & bellatula?

Post by Acid John » Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:11 pm

I will have a look for the references.
Christian, are you saying where they are found on the mountain dictates what they look like? If so my two should after ten years or more under the same conditions should look exactly the same. The rather small size is probably because I don't water much.
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Re: Aloe perrieri & bellatula?

Post by Christian » Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:03 pm

That‘s how I understood it, John, and perhaps a degree of clonal variation comes into this as well?

I don‘t have first hand experience of growing these, but your two plants look so similar, even though obviously one of them is inclined to offset, and the other one is staying single.
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Re: Aloe perrieri & bellatula?

Post by Christian » Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:56 pm

Here is an old thread which discusses the two spp.: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=152334&hilit=perrieri

Colin mentions (ten years ago) that Aloe bellatula was never recollected since its first description - I wonder whether this has happened since?
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Re: Aloe perrieri & bellatula?

Post by Acid John » Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:56 pm

Interesting thread link Christian. I wonder if I over fertilise will it blow the plants up and exaggerate their differences because the more I learn the less difference there seems to be.
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Re: Aloe perrieri & bellatula?

Post by Acid John » Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:23 pm

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Of Mice and Aloes
Bloody Mice have eaten the flower stalks but discarded the flowers. Never had this occur with Aloes before only Conophytums.
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